WiAOC2007 - Leigh Blackall - Post Keynote Discussion & EdTechBrainstorm

Chat Log Below

21:00:05 burgosm -> Leigh, could you give a simple definition of "copyleft." I can't seem to get it.
21:00:28 ElizabethHS -> teacher unions may have to change--they are currently not forward looking
21:00:31 Durff -> tried that # - no luck
21:00:40 Bee(Brazil) -> copyleft is the commons no?
21:01:05 Bee(Brazil) -> oh is it share alike as well?
21:02:57 jeff -> http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/
21:03:38 Bee(Brazil) -> it is like share alike
21:04:43 Bee(Brazil) -> these are very important issues
21:05:04 Nina Liakos -> Who is speaking?
21:05:12 Nina Liakos -> I was afk for a couple of minutes
21:05:14 jeff -> Mary Burgos
21:05:16 GeorginaN -> can I ask a question Jeff?
21:05:17 Nina Liakos -> Thanks
21:05:21 Durff -> any organisation would be restrictive
21:05:24 Bee(Brazil) -> please Gerogina
21:05:27 jeff -> yes Georgina
21:05:33 GeorginaN -> where's the mic?
21:05:42 Bee(Brazil) -> you should skypecast
21:05:48 jeff -> try joining skypecast at: +99001110023042426
21:05:52 Bee(Brazil) -> or just enter the question in the text area
21:06:29 ElizabethHS -> Bee--it seems esp. a problem with media (as opposed to text, which can be quoted in part. You can't use a snipit of a video or part of a graphic.
21:06:32 Durff -> we are real people
21:06:39 Bee(Brazil) -> it is what the Frech call Le Candide
21:06:54 burgosm -> Thanks Jeff and Bee.
21:07:02 Durff -> yes you can Elizabeth
21:07:06 Nina Liakos -> Some of us are not well-versed!
21:07:08 GeorginaN -> mmm coming up internal error!!
21:07:22 ElizabethHS -> Durff--with attribution?
21:07:28 Durff -> well-versed or unreal?
21:07:34 Durff -> \yup
21:07:46 GeorginaN -> ramidications of Illich on lifelong learning...wikieducator..the structure?
21:07:54 GeorginaN -> ramifications*
21:08:00 jeff -> hmmm, try this link Georgina: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...
21:08:17 Durff -> goo qt Georgina
21:08:24 Durff -> oh dear
21:08:33 Durff -> good question
21:08:45 Nina Liakos -> I rather like goo qt
21:09:09 Durff -> :)
21:09:24 Nina Liakos -> :D
21:09:40 Durff -> Go Maryland!
21:09:52 GeorginaN -> weird...says it can't find the skypecast!
21:10:06 Durff -> I couldn't get in either
21:10:07 Nina Liakos -> Hurrah Terps!
21:10:12 GeorginaN -> is time nearly up?
21:10:13 jeff -> hmmm
21:10:16 Durff -> too many people in, maybe
21:10:18 jeff -> boooo skypecast
21:10:24 GeorginaN -> can you represent the question Jeff
21:10:31 jeff -> will do my best
21:10:37 Vance in Abu Dhabi -> hey cheryl
21:10:42 Durff -> maybe it's going through the change of life?
21:10:44 Nina Liakos -> Cheryl, hi! Long time no see!
21:10:55 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hi Cheryl. Como estás?
21:10:59 cheryloakes -> Hello all, so glad I am in the right time zone!
21:11:10 jeff -> Skypecast here: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=... good luck getting in
21:11:15 Durff -> hi cheryl
21:11:50 Bee(Brazil) -> I totally understand the communities
21:11:52 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hi Brad
21:11:57 Brad Hicks -> Hi
21:12:11 GeorginaN -> intersting to revisit Illich's deschooling ideas...embrace that with participants I work with..indigenous people in the Centre...liofelong learning..sharing
21:12:35 GeorginaN -> that's very true leigh...heard of a case in Arnhem Kand recently!
21:12:37 Durff -> Are his ideas timely?
21:12:52 Durff -> or outdated?
21:12:54 cheryloakes -> trying to get back in. Hello all, glad to see you.
21:13:10 burgosm -> Hi Cheryl.
21:13:13 cheryloakes -> Horacio, Nina, Vance!
21:13:22 Vance in Abu Dhabi -> :-)
21:13:25 cheryloakes -> Hello Burgosm yah
21:13:39 burgosm -> Burgosm = Maryanne
21:13:58 GeorginaN -> huge issue with indigenous people her ion Oz
21:13:59 cheryloakes -> oh, good, whre in the world are you these days, I've lost track
21:14:08 JoseR -> Is the keynote over
21:14:15 Durff -> yes
21:14:17 GeorginaN -> thanks Jeff
21:14:28 jeff -> post-Keynote discussion in progress
21:14:28 Durff -> but know is the interesting stuff
21:14:31 Nina Liakos -> Jose, we are in Q&A
21:14:34 DS -> also in Canada
21:14:37 DS -> http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/05/14/4180489-sun.html
21:14:37 Durff -> the real conversations
21:14:45 GeorginaN -> can lifelong learning be taken up outside organisations...eg wikieducator
21:14:59 Nina Liakos -> I tried to join the skypecast from the link but the called failed twice
21:15:33 GeorginaN -> ok
21:15:35 Durff -> or is lifelonglearning restricted by organisations
21:15:46 Nina Liakos -> What proportion of students at Otago PT are international or immigrant students?
21:16:07 ElizabethHS -> By organizations, Georgina, do you also mean free, voluntary communities like EVO or MERLOT?
21:16:20 ElizabethHS -> Or just institutions?
21:16:26 GeorginaN -> no..I think they are outside orgs as I take them
21:16:40 Nina Liakos -> Clap clap clap for Leigh
21:16:45 GeorginaN -> more communities of indivs
21:16:49 Bee(Brazil) -> Jeff does not miss an opportunity :-)
21:17:02 Bee(Brazil) -> Clap clap Leigh
21:17:06 Durff -> do different countries need to move along the continuum of learning at different spaces? Is this necessary? Desirable?
21:17:07 GeorginaN -> yeh..istitutions would be more what I'm referring to
21:17:13 ElizabethHS -> Yes, they are driven by interests, rather than certification units
21:17:16 Bee(Brazil) -> looking forward to reading more about this
21:17:20 GrahamS -> Thanks Leigh
21:17:22 Nina Liakos -> Leigh, please say hi to William Lucas at Otago for me in MD
21:17:30 GeorginaN -> exactly...and broader
21:17:34 GeorginaN -> thanks Leigh
21:17:35 Bee(Brazil) -> hugs to William as well
21:17:45 GeorginaN -> thanks for those organising this
21:17:54 Bee(Brazil) -> see ya
21:17:57 ElizabethHS -> When is the next session, Vance?
21:18:42 Bee(Brazil) -> lol
21:18:45 Durff -> but elizabeth the world society still relies on degrees, paper, certifications
21:18:50 GeorginaN -> so where were you suggesting the discussion goes on Jeff?
21:18:55 Durff -> how can we move beyond?
21:19:03 GeorginaN -> privelege eh?
21:19:07 Nina Liakos -> I am going over to Tapped In now. Good night everyone!
21:19:13 ElizabethHS -> Maybe, Durff, you can reach a point where that isn't needed so much anymore.
21:19:19 Daf -> the next session is in 2 hours and a half
21:19:19 GeorginaN -> bye Nina
21:19:21 Bee(Brazil) -> students should sit exams only when they feel they are ready
21:19:21 ElizabethHS -> Oooh, we are scary!
21:19:31 Bee(Brazil) -> or if they need a paper
21:19:33 Nina Liakos -> ;)
21:19:37 ElizabethHS -> Bee--that may be never (LOL)
21:19:39 Durff -> how can society be that way?
21:19:40 Daf -> http://schedule.wiaoc.org/
21:19:43 GeorginaN -> is Michale in Canada at the moment??
21:19:43 Bee(Brazil) -> so what?
21:19:53 CathyE -> Jeff- will this conference carry over until Tuesday? Should I skip Making Connections this week?
21:19:54 ElizabethHS -> I think my son's generation is kind of that way.
21:19:55 burgosm -> Bye all. My brain is full :D
21:20:09 ElizabethHS -> They focus much less on the credentials and more on the immediate quality of life.
21:20:12 Bee(Brazil) -> does a paper prove anything?
21:20:18 ElizabethHS -> It's sort of the 60s made real
21:20:33 Daf -> ;-)
21:20:44 Bee(Brazil) -> your contribution to society is what counts
21:20:45 GeorginaN -> like the TALO one Leigh
21:20:48 DS -> hey Cathy, the convergence/cast ends on Sunday
21:20:49 Durff -> everyone in USA still rely on credentials - paper resumes
21:20:49 ElizabethHS -> Daf--sorry I missed the TI session--did anyone come?
21:20:50 Bee(Brazil) -> not a paper
21:21:01 Daf -> only Wendy
21:21:07 Daf -> we had a nice talk
21:21:19 ElizabethHS -> good, it's a start
21:21:21 Daf -> not much about academic stuff, though ;-)
21:21:40 jeff -> try this skypecast: +99001110011611106
21:22:00 Durff -> that's a different one jeff
21:22:05 ElizabethHS -> Bee, they just had a case at MIT where the Dean of Admissions didn't have even a college degree. She faked it for 30 yrs.
21:22:21 ElizabethHS -> I guess she did her job OK.
21:22:23 Daf -> wow!
21:22:29 Durff -> was she qualified?
21:22:39 DS -> I read about that--by all accounts she was great at the job
21:22:41 Daf -> life experience
21:22:49 Durff -> did the degree even matter?
21:23:19 ElizabethHS -> I think that's what was said--but why would you need a PhD to run the admissions program? She didn't make decisions about entrants, really--it was all test scores and rec's from teachers, etc.
21:23:20 Durff -> and why was it newsworthy?
21:23:50 ElizabethHS -> She lied about the degree when she was first hired (as a file clerk or something), and gradually just moved up the ladder.
21:24:10 Durff -> how does that speak about the surrounding culture in which we live?
21:24:33 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> OK people. It was a nice session. Thank you so much. See you later
21:24:42 Daf -> see you later, Horacio
21:24:47 ElizabethHS -> How do you make decisions about jobs and salary if not by degrees, job experience, etc?
21:25:22 Durff -> is there a better way to assess lifelonglearning?
21:25:29 JL -> new skypecast link: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...
21:25:36 ElizabethHS -> What would it be, Durff?
21:25:37 Bee(Brazil) -> k12 is run by American and Canadian educators
21:25:55 Durff -> I don't know Elizabeth
21:26:11 Bee(Brazil) -> yes..G. Siemens coming up
21:26:14 ElizabethHS -> Yep, Vance--Elderbob is running a free weekend
21:26:18 jeff -> +99001110011611106
21:26:19 cheryloakes -> I ended up with graduate credits by taking k12 online conference through Plymouth State and Univ. of Shanghai
21:26:36 Durff -> Karl Fisch says the best way to predict the future is to invent it
21:26:39 ElizabethHS -> Cheryl--sounds really interesting
21:26:48 Bee(Brazil) -> ah...this is interesting
21:26:50 Durff -> so let's invent something better
21:26:59 GeorginaN -> I like that idea Durff
21:27:14 GeorginaN -> clashed with the realtime stream
21:27:37 ElizabethHS -> I didn't change RMP, but I still hear them
21:27:56 Durff -> yes cheryl i have to take courses to keep my certification - very school1.0
21:28:10 Durff -> Globalschoolhouse, i think
21:28:51 cheryloakes -> But Lisa, I actually got credits for recertification on my own time by using k12 online workshops and following some course expectations. It was great.
21:29:16 Durff -> challenges? getting seniors graduated!
21:29:48 Durff -> yeah, in PA they tend to be strict
21:29:55 Bee(Brazil) -> I find all this paper hierarchy very hypocritical
21:30:11 Durff -> exactly my point
21:30:41 ElizabethHS -> Bee--it makes teachers into real cynics
21:30:53 Bee(Brazil) -> it´s just an obstacle to prevent people from entering
21:31:08 ElizabethHS -> I hope she is flying, not driving!
21:31:13 Durff -> so take courses that teach something
21:31:29 GeorginaN -> www.deadlymob.org
21:31:42 Durff -> i'll do podcasting or vidcasting or sth\
21:31:45 ElizabethHS -> I've done the teacher training for this certification requirements, and it's not that my course didn't teach anything--they just weren't interested.
21:31:49 Bee(Brazil) -> I think you should be able to get a paper without having had to follow a course
21:31:52 Bee(Brazil) -> or pay for it
21:32:09 ElizabethHS -> They served time and got their credits and the district paid for it, but they could care less--it was just the paper.
21:32:14 Bee(Brazil) -> as long as you prove you can do it
21:32:27 GeorginaN -> sounds good
21:32:37 GeorginaN -> off now
21:32:41 GeorginaN -> catchuo later
21:32:48 Durff -> gotta have that paper to avoid litigation
21:32:48 GeorginaN -> cya everybody
21:33:00 ElizabethHS -> Once a teacher gets a permanent job there is little incentive to actually learn something new.
21:33:05 Durff -> bye Georgina
21:33:10 GrahamS -> thanks everyone - see you later
21:33:11 Bee(Brazil) -> I think I am going to disconnect...have lots of things on my table
21:33:16 ElizabethHS -> Bye G--thank you
21:33:18 Bee(Brazil) -> it was great to be here with you
21:33:21 GeorginaN -> bye Durff..Bee
21:33:22 Bee(Brazil) -> and see you
21:33:27 Durff -> bye bee
21:33:29 GeorginaN -> Elizabeth
21:33:31 ElizabethHS -> Have to make supper so I will go now also--Cheers--Elizabeth
21:33:41 GeorginaN -> all..catchup in a leter session hopefully
21:33:46 GrahamS -> bye rveryone
21:33:47 Bee(Brazil) -> thank you jeff and vance
21:33:52 Daf -> I have learned more with webheads than in any formal course I have taken
21:33:56 Durff -> bye elizabeth
21:34:11 Durff -> bye graham and fiancee
21:34:13 Brad Hicks -> Jeff's Ommpa Loompas ;-)
21:34:23 Durff -> coffee?
21:34:28 Durff -> me too!
21:35:35 jeff -> +99001110011611106
21:36:05 Daf -> see you all later guys
21:40:58 JoseR -> see y'all
21:41:16 vance -> Georgina is in Adelaide, working with Michael
21:42:52 JenMad -> Hi, all! Is that Doug S!!!! Yeah!!!
21:46:06 Durff -> so, how does one "grab the stream"?
21:47:38 Durff -> cross your fingers
21:49:18 cheryloakes -> Hi Jen,
21:49:25 JenMad -> hi!
21:50:03 jeff -> +99001110011611106
21:50:09 Durff -> ouch
21:50:18 Durff -> the kick i meant
21:50:32 cheryloakes -> durff I have questions about kicking
21:50:44 CathyE -> Ok Gang- I have to make my way to dream land
21:50:44 Doug -> can we bridge the skypecasts?
21:50:45 cheryloakes -> hi Jason
21:50:45 Durff -> what qts?
21:50:50 JasonR -> MacBridges, word!
21:50:59 Doug -> Cya Cathy
21:51:02 Durff -> bye cathy
21:51:06 cheryloakes -> night cathye
21:51:15 jeff -> skypecast at: +99001110011611106
21:51:16 JasonR -> Greetings cheryloakes
21:51:31 CathyE -> I will check in afterschool tomorrow
21:51:34 cheryloakes -> jason, did you mention ubercast? or have I asked you this
21:51:48 JasonR -> Just got it on sale from MacZOT :D
21:52:11 Durff -> it said invalid
21:52:12 cheryloakes -> I wrote the company and they will give an educator discount I think I will do it, you like it right?
21:52:52 JasonR -> It is slick. I am trying a full run through/workflow this weekend. Will report in
21:52:53 jeff -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...
21:53:05 Brad Hicks -> Hey Jason
21:53:09 JasonR -> Howdy
21:53:21 Brad Hicks -> didn't cyu there!
21:53:25 cheryloakes -> let me know Jason, I am ready to purchase.
21:53:32 Durff -> trying plan b
21:53:44 Durff -> problem with recording device
21:53:45 JasonR -> Cheryl: will do
21:53:45 jeff -> http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=113712042
21:53:48 Brad Hicks -> so jason advantages of Ubercast over Audacity/Garageband?
21:53:58 JasonR -> Ubercast is purty
21:54:18 Brad Hicks -> is that all I'd be payinf for purty?
21:54:49 cheryloakes -> BRad and Jason, I am tired of Garageband, and I first edit in audacity, so I want to have one thing to use.
21:54:51 JasonR -> But seriously, Ubercaster promises an all in one solution, from preproduction to recording, editing, creating feed and uploading
21:55:16 cheryloakes -> pretty might be worth it.
21:55:27 JasonR -> I was able to bring in two USB mics and a Skype call into the recording furing my first test
21:55:33 Brad Hicks -> now if you could just stream from ubercaster...
21:55:57 cheryloakes -> oh, that would be way too nice, but nicecast has been good, although I have not updated this last round
21:56:04 JenMad -> yeah, doug!
21:56:42 Brad Hicks -> I will have to check ubercaster out a bit more - i have a 6 week break coming up soon
21:57:32 JasonR -> Once I get a better handle on Ubercaster, thought it would be good to do some kind of MacBridges special on it
21:57:53 Brad Hicks -> Your dog is not alone Doug, mine is waiting for breakfast too
21:58:08 Brad Hicks -> but he will not waste away anytime soon