WiAOC2007 - Leigh Blackall Keynote Presentation

Chat Log Below

20:00:26 Bee(Brazil) -> great
20:01:01 cora -> Sorry, have to go--lots to do! See you again during the next few days. Many thanks, Jeff !
20:01:11 cris -> see u cora
20:01:26 CarlaArena -> dear horacio, we'll bump into each other later on!
20:01:26 cris -> how is the podcast doing
20:01:30 cris -> gotta go too
20:01:37 CarlaArena -> bye, cris. see you around
20:01:50 cora -> bye, everyone.
20:01:57 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hope to see you again Cora
20:02:05 cris -> I am getting up at 6am...I'll have 5 hours of beaty sleep
20:02:23 cris -> see u all in a couple of hours
20:03:16 Bee(Brazil) -> dunedin is a beauuutiful city
20:03:35 jeff -> http://flickr.com/photos/leighblackall/sets/72157600223371021/show
20:03:48 Bee(Brazil) -> it´s there
20:04:16 Bee(Brazil) -> beautiful as usual
20:04:54 leighblackall -> http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall/Open_educational_resource...
20:05:07 Bee(Brazil) -> the backchannel
20:05:20 Dennis-Phoenix -> Very beautiful slides.
20:06:13 Bee(Brazil) -> making all these available
20:06:33 Bee(Brazil) -> yes...lots of pbs
20:06:52 Dennis-Phoenix -> Aloha, Perry.
20:06:56 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hi Perry
20:06:58 perry -> Aloha everyone
20:07:05 perry -> Nice to see you all again
20:07:12 jeff -> Hello Perry - Leigh's flickr photos at: http://flickr.com/photos/leighblackall/sets/72157600223371021/
20:07:49 perry -> got it thanks
20:08:26 jeff -> FYI, audio from the first two hours of the webcastathon is at: http://streamarchives.net - Good job server elves!
20:08:42 Bee(Brazil) -> there is a wonderful tool by Peter Schanks that gives you CC photos in Flickr
20:09:18 Dennis-Phoenix -> Thanks, Jeff.
20:09:54 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hi Bronwyn
20:10:15 Daf -> hi Bronwyn
20:10:16 vances -> Hi all, aloha Perry
20:10:18 Bee(Brazil) -> Welcome Bronwyn
20:10:29 perry -> Aloha Vance
20:10:35 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hi Nina
20:10:46 Daf -> hey Perry!
20:10:49 perry -> Nice to see you again Dennis
20:10:52 Nina Liakos -> Hi, Horacio!
20:10:58 jeff -> http://wikimedia.org/
20:11:06 Dennis-Phoenix -> Mahalo, Perry.
20:11:11 Dennis-Phoenix -> Hi, Nina.
20:11:14 Nina Liakos -> I am listening to Leigh's keynote but where are the visuals?
20:11:14 jeff -> from Bee - http://www.bathurst-tafe.nsw.edu.au/%7Epeter/flickrcc/index.php
20:11:18 Bee(Brazil) -> WB Nina
20:11:19 Nina Liakos -> Hi Dennis
20:11:22 Nina Liakos -> Thx Bee
20:11:30 Bee(Brazil) -> on flickr Nina
20:11:40 jeff -> http://flickr.com/photos/leighblackall/sets/72157600223371021/show
20:11:52 Dennis-Phoenix -> Bee: Where could I get more information on Peter Schanks' Flickr tool?
20:11:53 Bee(Brazil) -> cannot paste any urls here
20:12:05 Dennis-Phoenix -> Ah, OK.
20:12:12 Bee(Brazil) -> Jeff posted the url some lines ago
20:12:34 Dennis-Phoenix -> Oh--I was probably in another browser looking for it.
20:13:05 CathyE -> http://flickr.com/photos/leighblackall/sets/72157600223371021/show
20:13:14 Bee(Brazil) -> no here Dennis...some lines up...starts with http://bathurst...
20:13:15 Nina Liakos -> Which slide is he on?
20:13:15 vances -> i'm having trouble opening links from this chat, any hints?
20:13:27 Bee(Brazil) -> press control Vance
20:13:40 vances -> I tried that, also shift
20:13:48 Bee(Brazil) -> which one Leigh?
20:13:50 Dennis-Phoenix -> I got it, Bee. Thanks to both you and Jeff!
20:14:00 Bee(Brazil) -> the pie charts
20:14:07 perry -> Control worked for me.
20:14:12 Nina Liakos -> He's changing the slides, right?
20:14:29 vances -> he said to hit pause
20:14:35 vances -> to control the flow
20:14:50 vances -> then you can click on the thumbnails
20:14:54 vances -> he's on slide 3
20:15:00 Bee(Brazil) -> I do not understand why Share Alike is a pb
20:15:05 vances -> copyleft, intersting
20:15:07 Dennis-Phoenix -> Isn't he just cycling through a limited set of slides?
20:15:10 Nina Liakos -> pie charts, right
20:15:26 Bee(Brazil) -> copyleft is what the commons used to be before big C
20:15:33 vances -> share alike is problematic in case the institute enters into a commercial venture
20:15:39 DS -> I think that it's the non-commercial that's the issue
20:15:44 vances -> then use of that content might be restricted
20:15:50 Bee(Brazil) -> sure
20:16:18 Bee(Brazil) -> why would you use other people´s work and earn money on that?
20:16:31 Dennis-Phoenix -> Plenty of people do just that, Bee.
20:16:33 vances -> you wouldn't intentionally
20:16:46 vances -> but if you repurposed something and repurposed that
20:17:01 vances -> and then wanted to use it in one of your commercial ventures ..
20:17:11 vances -> how do you tease it out?
20:17:24 Dennis-Phoenix -> None of us would purposefully use someone else's work, but many people do just that.
20:17:27 Bee(Brazil) -> so what you are saying is that Share Alike is just like the big C?
20:17:52 vances -> mostly it carries a non commercial use restriction
20:18:08 vances -> i use the 2.5 attribution myself
20:18:15 Bee(Brazil) -> Welcome Georgina
20:18:19 vances -> i just declare that
20:18:20 GeorginaN -> hi Bee
20:18:23 vances -> my intent is to share
20:18:30 Nina Liakos -> Hello, Georgina
20:18:34 Dennis-Phoenix -> Hi, Georgina.
20:18:43 GeorginaN -> hi there
20:18:54 GeorginaN -> is there audio to this..? sorry to interrupt
20:19:04 Bee(Brazil) -> yes..click on skypecast
20:19:06 jeff -> yes -http://webheadsinaction.org/listen
20:19:07 vances -> i have no means of chasing people down in case they make any money on a remix of what I do
20:19:09 Bee(Brazil) -> on the right hand side
20:19:11 GeorginaN -> ta
20:19:12 Bee(Brazil) -> at the top
20:19:33 jeff -> or join the skypecast at: +99001110023042426
20:19:35 Dennis-Phoenix -> Totally understood, Vance (re chasing people down).
20:19:45 vances -> but an institute might be concerned that someone who creates someone might have a relative who is an aggressive lawyer
20:19:50 GeorginaN -> thanks...gottit!
20:20:11 vances -> someone who creates something s/he shares I mean
20:20:25 Dennis-Phoenix -> I'd love to hear more: this is fascinating! However, I have to put dinner on.
20:20:36 Bee(Brazil) -> I was furious some years ago
20:20:38 vances -> enjoy dennis
20:20:39 Dennis-Phoenix -> So bye for now, everyone . . . .
20:20:47 Nina Liakos -> I think everything is being recorded Dennis
20:20:49 vances -> why Bee?
20:20:50 Nina Liakos -> Bon Appetit!
20:20:51 Bee(Brazil) -> because I put all my things online
20:21:02 vances -> yes
20:21:13 Bee(Brazil) -> and someone captured all this behind a paid password
20:21:16 Dennis-Phoenix -> Yes, I know it is--but it's different, somehow, when you're here as it's happening.
20:21:19 Bee(Brazil) -> of a portal
20:21:24 Bee(Brazil) -> and was making money
20:21:27 Bee(Brazil) -> on my stuff
20:21:32 bronwyn.hegarty -> In NZ we are pretty obsessed with SCORM what about elsewhere?
20:21:35 Nina Liakos -> You mean someone took your stuff and locked it?
20:21:37 Dennis-Phoenix -> Bee: The same thing has happened to me a number of times.
20:21:40 Bee(Brazil) -> without having produced anyting
20:21:50 vances -> framed it?
20:21:53 Dennis-Phoenix -> And on that cheery note, bye for now.
20:22:00 Bee(Brazil) -> behind a paid password
20:22:13 Nina Liakos -> The scoundrel!
20:22:15 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> See you later, Dennis
20:22:39 Bee(Brazil) -> I would not know about it
20:22:55 vances -> what did you do about it Bee?
20:23:02 Bee(Brazil) -> if a friend whose school was paying for content in this portal
20:23:10 Bee(Brazil) -> had not told me
20:23:21 Bee(Brazil) -> nothing Vance
20:23:29 Bee(Brazil) -> here nothing of this works
20:24:02 vances -> who was it, we might at least chip at his reputation
20:24:21 Bee(Brazil) -> people do not even know what they are doing
20:24:27 Bee(Brazil) -> they are not educated
20:25:01 Bee(Brazil) -> and this is why participatory media and this literacy is so important for the kids
20:25:41 Bee(Brazil) -> they just copy photos from google and think it is all right not to mention the sources
20:26:31 Bee(Brazil) -> or give attribution...or write to ask for permission
20:27:13 Bee(Brazil) -> community walk is wonderful
20:27:49 Bee(Brazil) -> Paul Allison from Teachers Teaching Teachers gave a talk on maps this week
20:27:57 Bee(Brazil) -> check it out if you are interested
20:28:27 Bee(Brazil) -> exactly
20:28:46 Bee(Brazil) -> absolutely
20:29:16 Bee(Brazil) -> now what troubles me somehow Leigh
20:29:17 GeorginaN -> great potential for people showing where they're at..good place to start
20:29:50 Bee(Brazil) -> oh well...it´s a philosophical issue
20:31:00 burgosm -> Where can one access Teachers Teaching Teachers?
20:31:13 jeff -> http://teachersteachingteachers.org/
20:31:18 Bee(Brazil) -> thanks jeff
20:31:21 jeff -> also at http://edtechtalk.com/
20:31:26 burgosm -> Thanks.
20:31:31 jeff -> they webcast Wednesdays at 9pmEDT
20:31:35 Bee(Brazil) -> wonderful discussions there every week
20:32:00 GeorginaN -> ..time and belief during devt time important
20:32:03 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Bee. how can I copy the link?
20:32:05 Durff -> I missed them last night -what did I miss?
20:32:21 jeff -> try highlighting and ctrl-c
20:32:28 jeff -> if not, all chat logs will be archived
20:32:29 burgosm -> So they're on just before Lost for me!
20:32:44 jeff -> yeah, it's a major scheduing problem :)
20:32:46 Bee(Brazil) -> I click on it at the same time as I press CTRL and it opens in a new window
20:32:52 jeff -> shouldn't be a problem after next week's finale
20:33:30 burgosm -> True!
20:34:32 Bee(Brazil) -> autonomous student networking is difficult
20:34:51 Bee(Brazil) -> it is already difficult among teachers
20:36:26 Bee(Brazil) -> and when you are not employed by an institution?
20:36:49 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Thanks Bee and Jeff. It worked
20:36:50 Bee(Brazil) -> I understand this in an institutional environment
20:41:18 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hi Nick
20:41:27 Bee(Brazil) -> Leigh...this pic is very logical
20:41:42 perry -> Very interesting, but I gotta run to class
20:41:44 Bee(Brazil) -> but it reproduces the static system, does it not?
20:41:52 perry -> See you all in a few hours, Aloha
20:41:57 Bee(Brazil) -> the hierarchy
20:42:09 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Aloha, Perry
20:42:19 Bee(Brazil) -> the movement only occurs at the bottom...not at the top
20:42:21 nick -> Hi Horacio
20:42:51 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hi Michal
20:43:05 burgosm -> Bee, your comment on being a static system is worth exploring.
20:43:06 Vance in Abu Dhabi -> this is a neat video, have you seen it?
20:43:15 michaelshade -> I didn't realise I'd left . . .
20:43:17 Vance in Abu Dhabi -> RSS in plain English
20:43:46 nick -> which slide # in flickr?
20:43:52 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Where is the video, Vance?
20:44:00 michaelshade -> slide 10
20:44:07 DS -> slide #10
20:44:09 nick -> thx michale
20:44:30 burgosm -> What video, Vance?
20:44:36 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> I don´t see the slides
20:45:00 jeff -> http://flickr.com/photos/leighblackall/sets/72157600223371021/show
20:45:27 nick -> the pic of the video is in the slide ... about web2.0
20:45:32 Nina Liakos -> Thank you Leigh, very interesting!
20:45:32 aschwar -> thank you for your presentation
20:46:03 Bee(Brazil) -> Leigh...lots of ideas
20:46:12 Bee(Brazil) -> and where all this is leading to
20:46:27 Nina Liakos -> Hi Elizabeth!
20:46:33 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hi Elizabeth
20:46:34 jeff -> Leigh's blog http://learnonline.wordpress.com/
20:46:36 Durff -> Q & A time
20:46:38 ElizabethHS -> Hi Bee
20:46:52 Daf -> hi Elizabeth
20:46:53 ElizabethHS -> Hey Jeff
20:47:00 Daf -> Thanks Leigh!
20:47:05 aschwar -> do you have a link to Leigh's blog?
20:47:09 jeff -> Teach & Learn group: http://www.protopage.com/teachandlearnonline
20:47:13 jeff -> Hello Elizabeth
20:47:26 GrahamS -> Hi Elizabeth
20:47:32 jeff -> http://learnonline.wordpress.com/
20:47:49 ElizabethHS -> I seem to be missing audio--Hey Graham!
20:48:04 jeff -> http://www.webheadsinaction.org/listen
20:48:11 burgosm -> Hi Elizabeth
20:48:15 Daf -> click on the audio icons above this window, Elizabeth
20:48:19 jeff -> skype to +99001110023042426
20:48:20 Daf -> hi Michael!
20:48:28 michaelc -> Hi Daf and all
20:48:41 Nina Liakos -> Hi Michael
20:49:18 ElizabethHS -> Hello Michael!
20:49:34 GeorginaN -> hello Michael
20:49:42 michaelc -> Hi Elizabeth. Still enjoying being home?
20:49:52 michaelc -> Georgie - hi!
20:49:56 Durff -> What elements in society have to change in order for education to become open and flexible?
20:49:56 ElizabethHS -> We are heading to Alaska in June 9
20:50:03 Nina Liakos -> What does Blackboard do that we can't do with open source software?
20:50:06 Bee(Brazil) -> hugs michael
20:50:07 GeorginaN -> gifts in the mail!!
20:50:09 ElizabethHS -> Good Q, Durff
20:50:21 nick -> all LMS's offer two things ...
20:50:24 jeff -> tries to use patent as a weapon
20:50:27 Durff -> Thank you Elizabeth
20:50:33 nick -> potential one stop shop for students for most .,.,
20:50:43 Bee(Brazil) -> really Elizabeth? I was in Alaska hundreds of years ago
20:50:43 nick -> data for administrators ...
20:50:52 Nina Liakos -> I could use Blackboard's ELMS at my university--but I don't see why I should
20:50:57 Bee(Brazil) -> in Sitka (where my uncle lived)
20:50:58 nick -> I don't like them but that's what they offer I think
20:51:10 Bee(Brazil) -> Glacier Bay
20:51:14 Bee(Brazil) -> beautiful
20:51:20 Nina Liakos -> I would like to learn it though
20:51:20 jeff -> anyone in the skypecast want to chime in?
20:51:37 aschwar -> thanks again...i have to run.
20:51:45 Daf -> wb Elizabeth :-)
20:51:50 ElizabethHS -> So there is no audio?
20:51:54 Durff -> get my Q
20:51:55 Daf -> yes, there is
20:52:01 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> See you later, Asch
20:52:02 jeff -> lots of audio
20:52:03 Bee(Brazil) -> audio is on skypecast
20:52:03 ElizabethHS -> I can't get my colored text to work either.
20:52:14 jeff -> http://www.webheadsinaction.org/listen
20:52:15 Bee(Brazil) -> on the right hand side at the top
20:52:18 Daf -> above this window you can click on one of the sound icons
20:52:26 jeff -> skype to +99001110023042426
20:52:32 ElizabethHS -> The /listen page says there is currently no streaming.
20:53:11 CathyE -> I am listening to the stream
20:53:11 Horacio Idárraga Gil -> Hi General Motors
20:53:11 jeff -> strange - do you have scripts allowed from webheadsinaction.org ?
20:53:18 Vance in Abu Dhabi -> hi elizabeth
20:53:28 Daf -> I've been listening too
20:53:33 Vance in Abu Dhabi -> i was going to ask which page is giving this message
20:53:35 ElizabethHS -> There are no icons above this window??
20:53:37 Daf -> lol, Horacio
20:53:45 GM -> Hello to you also
20:53:58 Vance in Abu Dhabi -> yes, this chat window, icons here
20:54:02 Daf -> hmmm, I have WMP
20:54:09 nick -> bye folks hopefully back later
20:54:12 Vance in Abu Dhabi -> in flock using windows
20:54:40 jeff -> which media player do you use Elizabeth?
20:54:58 jeff -> if WMP - file/open URL http://worldbridges.com/stream1.asx
20:55:09 ElizabethHS -> I have RM, WMP, and Skype, et al.
20:55:16 jeff -> if Real Player - http://worldbridges.com/stream1.ram
20:55:24 ElizabethHS -> But no icons for them here, hhmm.
20:56:02 Nina Liakos -> I'd like Leigh to say Hello to William L from me in Maryland
20:57:22 Durff -> ] What elements in society have to change in order for education to become open and flexible?
20:57:44 Durff -> can't join Skypecast
20:57:51 GeorginaN -> it's great
20:58:00 Nina Liakos -> I follow better if I am not chatting!
20:58:06 GeorginaN -> so many different ways of 'doing' this online stuff now
20:58:19 GeorginaN -> need the images..that's a great focus
20:58:24 Durff -> audio works
20:58:32 burgosm -> Somehow I lost the connection and am having trouble reconnecting.
20:58:51 JimT -> Yes, very well.
20:58:57 ElizabethHS -> OK, got the audio on RMP
20:59:17 jeff -> try skyping to: +99001110023042426
20:59:30 Vance in Abu Dhabi -> cool