WiAOC2007 - Stephen Downes Keynote: Personal Learning the Web 2.0 Way

Stephen Downes Keynote address
Personal Learning the Web 2.0 Way

Chat Log Below

10:00:02  buoyant ->  Hye Erika
10:00:09  Stephen Downes ->  slides at http://www.downes.ca/files/wiaoc.ppt
10:00:19  JoseR ->  Where is yugma link
10:00:26  cherylblizzardoates ->  Hi Alice, just leaving the apartment in SL, it looks great
10:00:41  alicebarr ->  Oh great!
10:00:57  jeff ->   http://www.downes.ca/files/wiaoc.ppt          Yugma at: http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=114060411
10:00:58  elderbob ->  Hello all.
10:01:14  Daf ->  I got this message You don't have permission to access /files/wiaoc.ppt on this server. 
10:01:24  cris ->  I am not in Yugma
10:01:25  Stephen Downes ->  Or at slideshare: http://www.slideshare.net/Downes
10:01:29  cris ->  what do i have to do?
10:01:30  cherylblizzardoates ->  sharon, what is your sl name?
10:01:48  Daf ->  I tried the ppt link, and got thismessage: You don't have permission to access /files/wiaoc.ppt on this server. 
10:01:48  cris ->  Hi Vance!
10:01:52  sharonp ->  my sl name is Heloise Chevalier
10:02:10  cris ->  Strange. Vance are never here! :D
10:02:17  sharonp ->  can finally make it to a session!
10:02:31  sharonp ->  are we in yugma yet?
10:02:57  teresadeca ->  i'm looking at stephen's ppt in slideshare.net
10:03:10  Stephen Downes ->  no peeking ahead
10:03:16  teresadeca ->  lol
10:03:29  buoyant ->  Are u in edunation in sl?
10:03:31  sharonp ->  is there a link to the yugma
10:03:34  Erika Cruvinel ->  Hi Dennis! Good to have you back
10:03:50  Erika Cruvinel ->  Hi Carla!
10:03:58  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Ola, Erika! It's good to be back. I had browser problems and had to leave and re-enter.
10:04:02  CarlaArena ->  erikats, just got back from SL!
10:04:12  Dennis-Phoenix ->  A belated Happy Birthday, Erika.
10:04:20  Erika Cruvinel ->  Thanks Dennis!
10:04:24  cris ->  \happy birthday
10:04:25  elderbob ->  Is that Cheryl Oates
10:04:25  Dennis-Phoenix ->  :)
10:04:37  buoyant ->  happy bday Erika
10:04:38  sharonp ->  Jeff, is George Siemen's presentation up and posted somewhere?
10:04:44  cherylblizzardoates ->  cheryl oakes aka blizard oates is here elderbob
10:04:45  CarlaArena ->  cheryl blizzard=cheryl oakes
10:04:47  Erika Cruvinel ->  :D
10:04:58  elderbob ->  Happy Birthday, Cheryl
10:04:59  Dennis-Phoenix ->  :D
10:05:17  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Is it Cheryl's birthday?
10:05:20  cherylblizzardoates ->  Oh, elderbob, thanks, it must have shown up in skype?
10:05:21  Durff ->  B-day!
10:05:23  sharonp ->  love long weekends! beautifully sunny in Montréal
10:05:30  Durff ->  Happy Birthday!!
10:05:36  sharonp ->  whose birtheday??
10:05:44  Daf ->  now I have both ppt and slideshare
10:05:54  jeff ->  audio didn't make it - LT at: http://home.learningtimes.net/learningtimes?go=1563545
10:05:54  Daf ->  hi Sharon
10:05:59  cris ->  hi from the UK
10:05:59  Jeff Cooper ->  could someone paste the Yugma link in here?
10:06:04  Dennis-Phoenix ->  As if you have nothing more to do, Dafne!
10:06:08  sendkathy ->  Hi Sharon!
10:06:13  Dennis-Phoenix ->  ;)
10:06:17  Daf ->  lol, Dennis
10:06:18  sharonp ->  Hi Dafne and Kathy!!
10:06:28  Dennis-Phoenix ->  :D he he he
10:06:47  Daf ->  thanks, Stephen
10:07:00  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Yes, thanks.
10:07:45  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Where can we see the slides?
10:08:18  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Dafne, do you have a URL?
10:08:53  Vances ->  check the HOME page at http://www.webheadsinaction.org
10:08:54  jeff ->  http://www.downes.ca/files/wiaoc.ppt    http://www.slideshare.net/Downes/personal-learning-the-web-20-way Y     ugma at: http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=114060411
10:08:55  menSh ->  Where can we see those slied?
10:08:59  menSh ->  Oh thanks!
10:09:12  susaneb ->  looking for the link
10:09:18  Vances ->  I was giving that info to people at second life
10:10:03  Vances ->  coming in loud and clear (and I'm muted)
10:10:06  Daf ->  http://www.downes.ca/files/wiaoc.ppt
10:10:07  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I got the answer, Stephen, and just downloaded the ppt.
10:10:11  cris ->  http://www.slideshare.net/Downes/personal-learning-the-web-20-way
10:10:52  menSh ->  Sorry can you resend the links again?
10:11:00  menSh ->  To that PPT.
10:11:02  jeff ->  http://www.downes.ca/files/wiaoc.ppt    http://www.slideshare.net/Downes/personal-learning-the-web-20-way    Yugma at: http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=114060411
10:11:03  cherylblizzardoates ->  http://www.downes.ca/files/wiaoc.ppt http://www.slideshare.net/Downes/personal-learning-the-web-20-way
10:11:09  menSh ->  Thank you.
10:11:22  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I have the ppt up. Thanks, Jeff and Vance.
10:12:12  Dennis-Phoenix ->  And thanks, Cheryl.
10:12:14  cherylblizzardoates ->  Stephen is on slide #4
10:12:22  cherylblizzardoates ->  sure dennis-p
10:12:49  michaelshade ->  slide 6
10:12:53  aidenyeh ->  i'm using 2 laptops :-)
10:12:54  Nina MD ->  Which slide please?
10:13:03  aidenyeh ->  multitasking
10:13:04  Nina MD ->  thx
10:13:10  cherylblizzardoates ->  i think slide 5/29
10:13:18  cherylblizzardoates ->  at slideshare.net
10:13:23  Nina MD ->  My computer froze up--it took a long time to close down and reboot
10:13:38  michaelshade ->  7
10:13:44  menSh ->  Many computers are not yet coping with Java. :)
10:13:46  aidenyeh ->  lol
10:14:03  Dennis-Phoenix ->  He's on slide 5 now—and just moved to #6.
10:14:10  Nina MD ->  6 or 7?
10:14:19  cherylblizzardoates ->  yes at slideshare it is slide 6 of 29
10:14:21  michaelshade ->  £7
10:14:22  susaneb ->  your cat....Stephen?
10:14:31  susaneb ->  wants to join us
10:14:37  michaelshade ->  #8
10:14:49  Dennis-Phoenix ->  mpw 7.
10:14:55  Dennis-Phoenix ->  now 7.
10:14:57  cris ->  :D
10:15:11  Dennis-Phoenix ->  7: IMS Learning Design
10:15:24  michaelshade ->  now on #9
10:15:25  Nina MD ->  9 now
10:15:50  susaneb ->  hi Wendy
10:16:13  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #8: Competency-Based Learning
10:16:42  michaelshade ->  Tools #10
10:16:59  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #9: LD: Conceptual Model
10:17:17  michaelshade ->  #11
10:17:36  Wendy Stenhouse ->  HI
10:17:43  mthacher ->  Hi
10:17:55  mthacher ->  Can anyone help me with Second Life?
10:18:19  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #10: LD Tools
10:18:22  Daf ->  we are not in SL now. We are listening to Stephen Downes presentation
10:18:34  Vances ->  i just exited but what are you trying to do there?
10:18:42  michaelshade ->  #12
10:18:44  Durff ->  inSL?
10:18:45  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #11: The Lego Metaphor
10:18:57  Durff ->  slideshare
10:19:02  cherylblizzardoates ->  http://www.slideshare.net/Downes/personal-learning-the-web-20-way
10:19:06  Vances ->  webheads are everywhere today, some are at Tapped iN
10:19:08  Daf ->  hugs Hala
10:19:12  cherylblizzardoates ->  go to stephens slide show
10:19:13  mthacher ->  I was trying to find the group session, but is it over?
10:19:19  susaneb ->  haha!
10:19:20  Hala ->  hugs Daf back
10:19:22  Daf ->  yes, it is over now
10:19:23  cherylblizzardoates ->  we are on #11 on slideshare
10:19:23  Hala ->  Hello all
10:19:26  susaneb ->  HALA
10:19:29  Durff ->  where everywhere - like an alien invasion!
10:19:31  Vances ->  yes the group seems to have left that's why I did
10:19:34  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #12: The Learning Refinery
10:19:53  Durff ->  are we going back into SL today?
10:19:57  Daf ->  webheads are in every corner of the world, the meeting is at cyber space ;-)
10:20:10  Vances ->  we can go back for Lebow and Cormier next hour
10:20:17  michaelshade ->  #13
10:20:22  Durff ->  then i will stay
10:21:13  Vances ->  interesting diagram
10:21:40  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #13: Connectionism
10:22:07  Vances ->  sounds like a theory of cat herding
10:22:24  Daf ->  :-)
10:22:26  teresadeca ->  messy? chaotic? good for webheads, right?
10:22:39  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #14: Messy vs Neat
10:22:42  Vances ->  exactly
10:22:47  alicebarr ->  Absolutely Teresa!
10:22:54  Dennis-Phoenix ->  So it would seem, Teresa! :)
10:23:03  teresadeca ->  so we're connectionists!
10:23:11  teresadeca ->  i see
10:23:15  CarlaArena ->  that's the way the webheads learn, right?
10:23:34  alicebarr ->  Bringing people together for learning!
10:23:34  CarlaArena ->  interconnected individuals!
10:23:48  CarlaArena ->  we ARE connectionists!!!
10:23:49  teresadeca ->  wow!
10:24:09  Hala ->  I love the term
10:24:15  alicebarr ->  ME to!
10:24:18  CarlaArena ->  autonomous individuals doing their own things their own way!
10:24:19  alicebarr ->  too
10:24:26  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Sounds like "The dancer becomes the dance."
10:24:27  Daf ->  a tagged network of individuals
10:24:32  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #15: Enter the Network
10:24:47  cherylblizzardoates ->  I like that dennis-p
10:25:16  cherylblizzardoates ->  dennis thanks for keeping the slideshare people on task :-)
10:25:34  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I think it's from Yeats.
10:25:54  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #16: Pattern Recognition
10:27:48  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #17: Distributed Representation
10:28:05  teresadeca ->  in the traditional classroom style
10:28:24  Dennis-Phoenix ->  "The dancer becomes the dance" has been expanded to many other settings. Do a Google search (with quotes) and you'll see what I mean.
10:28:31  sendkathy ->  Stephen, How is this gravitation to enlarging patterns different from a swarming mentality?
10:28:32  Vances ->  storage vs knowing? info vs knowledge
10:29:00  teresadeca ->  the network is knowledge, right?
10:29:28  cherylblizzardoates ->  we have to be receptive in order to see the patterns.
10:29:32  Daf ->  does it sound like webheads?
10:29:43  Vances ->  "the network pulls you back"
10:29:45  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Yes, precisely!
10:29:52  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #18: Connectivist diagram / tree, dog, sofa
10:31:56  teresadeca ->  the webheads!!!  :-)
10:32:01  CarlaArena ->  networks-diverse, autonomous and connected!
10:32:13  sendkathy ->  Thank you, it helped.
10:35:46  Daf ->  slide # 19
10:36:01  michaelshade ->  #20
10:36:32  michaelshade ->  on to #21
10:36:38  aidenyeh ->  lol
10:36:44  Vances ->  20
10:37:38  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #20: "The way networks learn is the way people learn"
10:37:42  Vances ->  21
10:37:51  michaelshade ->  is the skypecast ahead of other streams?
10:37:59  jeff ->  yes
10:38:10  jeff ->  stream is 30-60 seconds delayed
10:38:16  jeff ->  skypecast is no delay
10:38:27  michaelshade ->  explains the differences i slide no's
10:38:27  Dennis-Phoenix ->  #21: Network Learning (inputs)
10:38:31  alicebarr ->  works best if he says next slide
10:38:44  Vances ->  is that an optimal network size?
10:39:10  Dennis-Phoenix ->  So that's it, Michael.
10:39:53  sendkathy ->  How can people who do not currently seek conncetions learn how to make them? Some people don't like to be autonomous, no?
10:39:58  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Personal Learning
10:40:43  AnneF ->  reminds me of the experiential learning model
10:40:58  cherylblizzardoates ->  But historically our education system has not valued collaboration, teachers were and still are isolated, but with all the networks available there is not reasons for that to still be.
10:41:16  Dennis-Phoenix ->  "What is the PLE?"
10:41:17  cherylblizzardoates ->  sorry, no reason for that
10:41:24  Vances ->  also reflection is often omitted from the process
10:41:35  sendkathy ->  PLE personal learning net
10:41:37  Vances ->  whispers: Personal Learning Environment
10:41:43  Dennis-Phoenix ->  There was every reason for that, Cheryl.
10:42:02  cherylblizzardoates ->  that is true Vance, people, including me, get on the path and just go to the next milemarker with out reflection
10:42:16  Stephen Downes ->  gliffy.com
10:42:33  Dennis-Phoenix ->  "We can get an idea of what the PLE looks like . . . ."
10:42:39  Vances ->  we are reflecting now, we must be learning
10:42:56  teresadeca ->  for sure, vance
10:43:21  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Definitely!
10:43:26  cris ->  isn't there still atendency
10:43:49  aidenyeh ->  I like that saying- to teach is to model and demonstrate, and to learn is to practice and reflect
10:43:53  sendkathy ->  The ability to interact simultaneously with the content enhances the learning.
10:43:59  cherylblizzardoates ->  we are reflecting on what stephen is saying , we are not just saying what he wants to hear
10:43:59  cris ->  I meet many people that still want to close blogs in Blackboard, for example
10:44:14  sendkathy ->  He may be learning from us too.
10:44:40  Dennis-Phoenix ->  The question is, "How can we connect the learner with the community at work?"
10:45:08  sendkathy ->  Connection comes from motivation
10:45:18  sendkathy ->  percieved value
10:45:34  cherylblizzardoates ->  engagement is key
10:45:56  cris ->  indeed!
10:46:18  Vances ->  or how to socially network via technology
10:46:37  Dennis-Phoenix ->  engagement: yes
10:46:38  sendkathy ->  The thought process, aka the think aloud strategy, teaching or modeling metagocnative processes
10:46:43  aidenyeh ->   I think Dennis, when we give the students the opportunity to interact with the authentic audience then they are in a way connecting them to that community
10:46:44  Dennis-Phoenix ->  socially network: yes
10:46:56  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I think you're right, Aiden.
10:47:13  Dennis-Phoenix ->  In a way that's much more real than reading culture notes in a book.
10:47:20  Dennis-Phoenix ->  or online, for that matter!
10:47:41  sharonp ->  the ineffable properties of blogging.. hmmm.... good way of putting it
10:47:55  suzannebarraclough ->  how to play a violin
10:48:18  Dennis-Phoenix ->  They are [i]communicating[/i], not just doing exercises or studying rules.
10:48:31  sendkathy ->  can the enegry generated by writing be measured?
10:48:31  Vances ->  and when you can't express it, it is hard to explain to those who dont' why they'd wanto.
10:48:42  sharonp ->  reflection is good for buildiing those skills in metacognition
10:48:57  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I think if it could, it would differ from person to person and from instance to instance.
10:49:09  Dennis-Phoenix ->  (re energy in writing)
10:49:17  Dennis-Phoenix ->  "The question is, How can we enable access to multiple environments that support various activities?"
10:49:41  sendkathy ->  words can change the world
10:49:49  josiefraser ->  I get asked about the value of blogging all the time at the moment - I guess its the reassurance of a mythically objective quality standard that people are after.
10:49:54  Dennis-Phoenix ->  (supported practice, job aids, . . .)
10:49:56  sendkathy ->  by causing people to act
10:50:07  Vances ->  how do you explain it Josie?
10:50:28  sendkathy ->  people want validation
10:50:30  josiefraser ->  I say its context dependent
10:50:36  sendkathy ->  they want reassurance and feedback
10:50:57  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I think you're exactly right, Josie. It's like "Students will learn to produce a well-formed five-paragraph essay in x number of rhetorical models."
10:51:45  Dennis-Phoenix ->  "The question is, How can we assist people to see themselves . . .?" (guided reflection, journaling, activities)
10:52:59  josiefraser ->  I liked the comments Stephen left on Conrad's blog recently - it isn't just about learning, it's also about doing, and changing stuff
10:53:30  KonradG ->  Yes, I liked his POV too, it's about engaging learners in activities ... that will lead to learning
10:53:53  jeff ->  if anyone wants to chime in during Q & A, skype +99001110026234499 to join the skypecast
10:54:10  JenMad ->  @Dennis: I consider this to also be a question of how does the 1st wave in the network involve, support and connect to subsequent waves.
10:54:28  Dave Winet ->  josie: sounds a little like what Marx said about Hegel: 'up to now philosophers have only tried to understand the world; the point is to change it' (or something to that effect...) :)
10:54:32  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I think you're right, Jen.
10:54:34  josiefraser ->  spelt yr name with a C, sorry Konrad!
10:54:40  aidenyeh ->  what's that sound
10:54:54  aidenyeh ->  it's the same sound we have in school :-)
10:55:07  sendkathy ->  As a teacher are we to help students to see patterns or just put patterns in their purview and wait for the light bulb to go on?
10:55:11  cris ->  :)
10:55:11  michaelshade ->  Dave, I was going to quote that . . .
10:55:16  KonradG ->  Chris Sessums and I will be doing our presentation on talkshoe.com. Details here: http://webheadsinaction.org/node/168 and here: http://tinyurl.com/2x7rwo
10:55:20  aidenyeh ->  Hi Dave!
10:55:33  KonradG ->  @josiefraser No problem!
10:55:38  Nina MD ->  I;m back looking at the chat
10:55:52  Nina MD ->  nope
10:55:53  cherylblizzardoates ->  Kathy, I think we have to show our elementary students patterns and NOT patterns, so they can begin to look for their own connections/patterns
10:55:55  elderbob ->  Lots of thought provoking material....
10:55:57  teresadeca ->  very interesting and eye-opening, and lots of food for thought, stephen. thank you!
10:55:57  Nina MD ->  very interesting talk
10:56:07  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Anything new seems confusing. Anything new is resisted. Anything new is awkward in setting up mechanisms for getting where it intends to go. It develops. It changes. Later, it becomes the status quo—and the visionaries are already well underway to the next stage and the cycle has begun again.
10:56:12  Nina MD ->  I opened the slideshow in the ppt and ignored the chat for once
10:56:20  suzannebarraclough ->  True Dennis
10:56:20  sendkathy ->  Thanks Stephen, I must read you more often. Somuch to learn so little time.
10:56:27  Nina MD ->  It helped me to focus on what Stephen was saying
10:56:32  Nina MD ->  I am a poor multi-tasker!
10:56:38  JoseR ->  me too
10:56:39  CarlaArena ->  my head is spinning!!! I guess it's the reflection...
10:56:46  Nina MD ->  I even took notes for the 1st time
10:56:47  aidenyeh ->  lost vance
10:56:48  cherylblizzardoates ->  thank you stephen, great slide show, great descriptions
10:56:55  CarlaArena ->  great presentation
10:56:55  aidenyeh ->  he's back
10:56:57  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Stephen: Thank you for this energizing, engaging, thought-provoking session.
10:57:03  Nina MD ->  I appreciated the opportunity to open the ppt on my own
10:57:03  Daf ->  Thanks a lot, Stephen very enlightening!
10:57:03  Durff ->  clap, clap!
10:57:09  Dave Winet ->  I think despite the benefits of being able to interact and be real online there's still a need for formal textbook style, teacher-centered learning.
10:57:10  alicebarr ->  Thank you Stephen: Some great things to reflect on!
10:57:11  Dennis-Phoenix ->  clap clap clap clap clap
10:57:15  Stephen Downes ->  *smile*
10:57:18  Daf ->  food for thought!
10:57:19  cherylblizzardoates ->  Jeff will this chat be with the recording?
10:57:20  sendkathy ->  Stephen, what is the role of teachers in presenting or leading students to see patterns and assess their value to their own PLE?
10:57:23  Nina MD ->  I was reflecting even though I was not participating in the chat
10:57:42  CarlaArena ->  I agree with Dave, and this is true in my teaching/learning context in brazil
10:57:43  paulmo ->  :D
10:57:44  aidenyeh ->  what's PLE?
10:57:52  Nina MD ->  Personal Learning Environment
10:57:54  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I agree, David. A mistake that everyone always seems to make is to assume that when one moves to something new, everything that came before is passe and of no value.
10:57:57  sendkathy ->  Personal Learning Environment
10:58:04  suzannebarraclough ->  clap clap clap - good job Stephen!!
10:58:11  suzannebarraclough ->  PLE
10:58:11  JoseR ->  the chat is our back channel where we reflect "think aloud"
10:58:15  aidenyeh ->  oh, ok, thanks Kathy
10:58:17  CarlaArena ->  dennis, were so in synch
10:58:29  CarlaArena ->  we are, I mean, dennis
10:58:37  Nina MD ->  I felt that much of what you spoke of Stephen was referring directly to the webheads CoP
10:58:44  Dennis-Phoenix ->  It's like the methodology thing in ELT: it always moves back to "the eclectic method" even though there are always lots of true-believer types who say, "No, ABC is the only thing that makes sense."
10:59:02  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Hear, hear, Carlinha!
10:59:16  Nina MD ->  I could identify with the "messy" comment
10:59:23  Nina MD ->  webheads is "messy"
10:59:27  Nina MD ->  in a good way
10:59:31  cherylblizzardoates ->  DEnnis-P, the ABC method is too rigid, and will not last, the eclectic method seems flexible and more like 21st century
10:59:37  CarlaArena ->  i share the same view...we need the new integrating with the previous...
10:59:45  Nina MD ->  We are scattered in many places in cyberspace