WiAOC2007 - WiAOC2007 - Barbara Dieu and Patricia Glogowski: Open and Participatory Webpublishing (part 2)

Chat Log Below

 17:00:21  buthaina ->  yes, it is frustrating; have been using my laptop lately because of that

17:00:21  Patricia ->  slide 32

17:00:25  Jeff Cooper ->  well... we do that with slow students right? i mean... *pay attention, computer... I'm in a conference here*!

17:00:26  GrahamS ->  "have you tried switching it off and switching it on again?"

17:00:31  GrahamS ->  :)

17:00:41  Patricia ->  33

17:00:43  buthaina ->  Jeff :D

17:01:09  GrahamS ->  slide 34

17:01:11  Patricia ->  slide 34

17:01:14  Patricia ->  thanks

17:01:30  Nina ->  Thanks to both of you!

17:01:38  nagora ->  blog looks more attractive with photo at the top.

17:01:41  Patricia ->  35

17:01:43  GrahamS ->  slide 35

17:01:53  GrahamS ->  you beat me to it, Patricia

17:02:10  Nina ->  2 is better than none

17:03:05  Patricia ->  don't want to compete, graham! will stop!

17:03:14  Dennis-Phoenix ->  The quote about "The Internet is flattening the world" is particularly apt, especially for this session.

17:03:23  Jeff Cooper ->  well... i'm handing the computer over to my son... going to make hot dogs.  i hope that all these powerpoints, etc. will be available post conference via the WiA site.

17:03:24  nagora ->  Ruth is in here. Nice to see you, Ruth.

17:03:42  Illya ->  Now I understand the 43 sites :-) Thank you Bee!

17:03:47  GrahamS ->  slide 36...slide 37

17:03:52  GrahamS ->  oops

17:04:05  buthaina ->  still not working; so, I'm calling it a night..going to bed now..

17:04:10  Laine ->  this technique of benchmarks worked well for EVO

17:04:16  Nina ->  Sorry, Buth/..goodnight

17:04:20  Patricia ->  yes, laine, i really liked it

17:04:21  GrahamS ->  goodnight buthaina - sorry you had so many problems

17:04:22  buthaina ->  Thanks Bee for the nice presentation

17:04:29  buthaina ->  bye all

17:04:33  Moira ->  Bye Buth :-)

17:04:33  Patricia ->  it's a good way of scaffolding the activities for our students too

17:04:36  Laine ->  by buth..

17:04:39  Jeff Cooper ->  I'll leave you all with this thought:  In the U.S. the Net is vastly underutilized in K-12 education... computers often are used only as babysitters or for high stakes testing.  Unless and until we get admins and politicians to see the Net as a truly positive tool, we'll continue the stigmatization of inertia.  

17:04:41  nagora ->  Bye Buth!

17:04:46  Dennis-Phoenix ->  What kind of benchmarks? Could you give an example?

17:04:52  GrahamS ->  slide 38

17:04:56  Jeff Cooper ->  and oh... push for speech to text for K-6 students!

17:05:08  Jeff Cooper ->  (not to mention all ESL students)

17:05:14  Patricia ->  slide 37 dennis - examples of benchmarks

17:05:27  Nina ->  37 or 38?

17:05:37  Patricia ->  37 for benchmarks

17:05:40  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Ah--it was staring me in the face but I didn't see it! Thanks, Pat.

17:05:46  Moira ->  yes oral and textual communication is needed, not just textual

17:05:57  Nina ->  They are too small for me to read well :-(

17:05:58  Patricia ->  actually 38 too

17:06:05  Moira ->  So with that thought I too am going to leave you.

17:06:19  Nina ->  Bonne nuit, ma cherie

17:06:22  GrahamS ->  you can increase the slide size, Nina

17:06:31  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Take care, Moira!

17:06:32  Nina ->  How?

17:06:37  Moira ->  Thank you Pat and Bee.  It's late here and I am teaching early tomorrow :-)  Bye all

17:06:48  GrahamS ->  click on the square icon (view in full screen)

17:06:55  GrahamS ->  bye Moira

17:06:57  nagora ->  Good night, Moira

17:06:59  Bee ->  thank you Graham

17:07:12  GrahamS ->  bottom right of the slide

17:07:13  Moira ->  bye all

17:07:18  Illya ->  Bye Moira

17:07:27  GrahamS ->  next to the '0 sec' text

17:07:32  nagora ->  b-bye Moira, nice to see you

17:08:23  GrahamS ->  slide 39

17:08:33  Patricia ->  Dekita.org

17:09:30  Patricia ->  bye moira!

17:09:39  Nina ->  Doesn't work since I wouldn't be able to see which slide to go to

17:10:13  Patricia ->  next slide - 40

17:10:14  Nina ->  I used that technique this morning with Stephen Downes

17:10:16  GrahamS ->  slide 40

17:10:23  Patricia ->  i beat you! :)

17:10:31  Nina ->  but Stephen told us orally when to change slides

17:10:47  Patricia ->  will stop now!

17:10:56  GrahamS ->  you can go back once you've read the detail on a slide, nina

17:11:14  Nina ->  I am too lazy to do all that! :-)

17:11:16  GrahamS ->  slide 41

17:11:20  GrahamS ->  :)

17:11:28  Patricia ->  :)

17:13:23  Patricia ->  Questions for Bee or Patricia?

17:13:27  Lee Baber ->  go to yugma Graham

17:13:30  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I learned that lesson (not posting assignments) from you, Bee, and also the hard way (but still a good way)—from my students.

17:13:33  Lee Baber ->  i am showing it there

17:14:40  Laine ->  I learned it from you

17:14:41  AndrewP ->  Bee do you want to mention your upcoming Keynote at the MERLOT Conference in August

17:14:44  michaelshade ->  v interesting & much food for thought

17:14:54  Dennis-Phoenix ->  You've presented so much meaningful information, shown so many usable resources, and raised so many thought-provoking questions, Bee and Patricia, that I don't know what questions to ask.

17:15:05  Daf ->  thanks a lot Bee and Pat :-)

17:15:08  Illya ->  Many Swiss teachers are getting interested in blogs.

17:15:09  suzannebarraclough ->  Question - what ages are your students?

17:15:09  Patricia ->  thanks, dennis

17:15:12  Nina ->  I'd like to encourage students to use their blogs to reflect on their language-learning, what they are learning in other classes, and their cultural adaptation

17:15:16  Dennis-Phoenix ->  So I'll just say thank you for a very engaging session!

17:15:21  AndrewP ->  http://conference.merlot.org/2007/

17:15:21  jenverschoor ->  Do your students really get involved in the wiki?

17:15:24  Dennis-Phoenix ->  My pleasure, Patricia.

17:15:26  AndrewP ->  ola Bee

17:15:36  Illya ->  They ask what's the point, and I think you illustrate the answer very clearly

17:15:58  Dennis-Phoenix ->  In N'awlins?

17:16:10  Dennis-Phoenix ->  (the Merlot conference)

17:16:26  Nina ->  My big challenge this semester was that students wouldn't blog because I didn't require posts

17:16:56  AndrewP ->  US Central Time, minus 5 GMT

17:17:02  Nina ->  I need to educate them better about the benefits

17:17:34  jenverschoor ->  I´m using wikis and they seem not to get really involved in it

17:17:44  Patricia ->  how are you using wikis?

17:17:54  nagora ->  None, but me in my uni is involved int blogging. Though the many have been interested  for now.

17:17:55  suzannebarraclough ->  Awesome!  

17:18:04  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Yes, it's in N'awlins: http://conference.merlot.org/2007/

17:18:11  Illya ->  Do the students in Dekita comment on each other's work? Can you give some examples of how to use Dekita?

17:18:11  jenverschoor ->  giving them assigments

17:18:18  jenverschoor ->  but they prefer blogs

17:18:42  Daf ->  I am using wikis and my students love it. They feel very proud of having a wiki and publishing their work online

17:18:44  michaelshade ->  a blog is more individual & personal ??

17:18:55  Patricia ->  so you use a wiki to post content and then they can express themselves on blogs, right?

17:18:57  suzannebarraclough ->  yes

17:19:05  nagora ->  I am trying to get acquainted my students with wiki also.

17:19:23  nagora ->  Same here, Daf

17:19:34  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Students have told me that wikis seem more serious than blogs.

17:19:43  Nina ->  What were your benchmarks, Bee?

17:19:47  Bee ->  My assignment is find a post you like and respond to it

17:19:52  suzannebarraclough ->  Thank You

17:19:56  GrahamS ->  really, Dennis? Why do they think that?

17:19:57  Bee ->  it depends on the post

17:20:01  nagora ->  :agree with Dennis.

17:20:07  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Got me, Graham.

17:20:19  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I don't know.

17:20:23  Bee ->  In second opinion they have to summarize the comments made, comment on tghe comments and give their own opinion

17:20:28  Illya ->  My students are more reluctant to use a wiki than a blog

17:20:35  suzannebarraclough ->  yes

17:20:51  jenverschoor ->  mine too

17:20:56  Bee ->  http://lycee.wikispaces.com

17:21:23  suzannebarraclough ->  Thank You

17:21:24  Laine ->  can you give two students a page to "host" on the wiki, for example?

17:21:40  jenverschoor ->  i´ll take a look at it thanks

17:21:50  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Maybe some students think wikis LOOK more serious than many blogs look.

17:22:01  GrahamS ->  good point, Dennis

17:22:30  Dennis-Phoenix ->  It's worth considering, I think, Graham.

17:22:52  Nina ->  Some blogs look very serious.  It depends on the template (skin)

17:22:58  jenverschoor ->  thanks Bee

17:23:00  Patricia ->  laine, yes

17:23:10  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I agree, Nina.

17:23:12  Laine ->  by serious, do we mean then intimidating?

17:23:20  Nina ->  No, not at all

17:23:23  Dennis-Phoenix ->  No, I don't think so, Laine.

17:23:41  Nina ->  The skin should "feel" right to the author, I think

17:23:41  Laine ->  you mean they take them more seriously?

17:23:55  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I think "serious" means 'not fun,' 'not engaging,' 'not cool.'

17:24:03  Patricia ->  laine, you can have more than 1 person collaborating on one page, if i understood the question correctly

17:24:05  Laine ->  oh, got it - thanks!

17:24:19  GrahamS ->  lol

17:24:25  Daf ->  that's something my students like about wikispaces. they can work on the look and feel of their wiki

17:24:33  Nina ->  Some of my students are older (30s) and may feel that they "should" be more serious

17:24:35  Illya ->  thanks that was helpful!

17:24:45  Dennis-Phoenix ->  And your students do that very well, Dafne.

17:24:49  Bee ->  http://lycee.wordpress.com

17:24:54  michaelshade ->  smashing talk bee!

17:24:57  Laine ->  Great, thanks! - can we access the slides later on?

17:25:00  AliB ->  the problem is when students are reluctant to comment

17:25:03  jenverschoor ->  Thanks for this great presentation

17:25:03  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Bee and Patricia: Once again, many, many thanks! Kudos!

17:25:06  Illya ->  Great talk - it was great!

17:25:09  Lee Baber ->  Good Job Bee!

17:25:16  AndrewP ->  great talk Bee

17:25:16  Dennis-Phoenix ->  clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap

17:25:19  jenverschoor ->  Living and Learning

17:25:26  Daf ->  Thanks for a great pres, Bee and Pat :-)

17:25:38  nagora ->  Thanks a million Bee and Patricia.

17:25:42  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Thanks, everyone!

17:25:51  Nina ->  Thanks very much for this interesting presentation, Bee & Patricia

17:25:52  Lee Baber ->  and Patricia

17:25:57  Nina ->  time for a screen break for me!

17:26:06  Dennis-Phoenix ->  For me, too, Nina.

17:26:07  Laine ->  can we access the slides later on?

17:26:08  nelliemuller ->  what's Bee's skype id?

17:26:09  Nina ->  See y'all later at Alado

17:26:14  Patricia ->  yes, laine

17:26:15  Illya ->  Thanks Patricia It's bedtime for me now

17:26:17  Jeff ->  there's 30 minutes until the next presentation, so no rush

17:26:18  nelliemuller ->  or blog?

17:26:23  Nina ->  Good night Illya

17:26:24  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I'd like to go one, but my eyes are strained and my back hurts!

17:26:34  Daf ->  see you later at Alado for Carla's presentation

17:26:36  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Oops: I'd like to go ON . . . .

17:26:39  Nina ->  The convergence is physically draining

17:26:41  Laine ->  somewhere???? ok

17:26:44  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Bye, everyone.

17:26:56  Illya ->  Good night everyone - IT's been a wondeful conergence!

17:26:56  Nina ->  Thanks, bye, see you later

17:26:59  nagora ->  Bye, It's after midnight here also.

17:27:02  jenverschoor ->  Good night

17:27:08  Laine ->  i would like to show it to my students who are language teachers

17:27:16  Dennis-Phoenix ->  As they say in Spanglish in Phoenix, "Hasta que les wacho!"

17:27:19  Laine ->  it was very clear

17:27:28  Daf ->   in 90 minutes Carla and Erika are presenting at Alado

17:27:35  michaelshade ->  les wacho?

17:27:41  AliB ->  Are there any effective strategies to push students  to make comments?

17:27:42  Dennis-Phoenix ->  see you

17:27:43  jenverschoor ->  Hope to be to make it

17:27:47  Jeff ->  it will be online at http://streamarchives.net/ in about 34 minutes

17:27:48  nagora ->  Bye everyone and thanks a lot, Graham, for the help.

17:27:53  Dennis-Phoenix ->  wachar is Spanglish.

17:27:58  Daf ->  motivate them, Ali!

17:27:59  michaelshade ->  watch ?

17:28:04  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Yep!

17:28:10  GrahamS ->  great, Jeff - will you be able to do this?

17:28:12  jenverschoor ->  Thanks once again

17:28:19  AliB ->  How, Daf?

17:28:20  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Hasta que te wacho, Michael.

17:28:30  Daf ->  see what's of their interest

17:28:37  Laine ->  same here:D

17:28:47  Daf ->  tasks - projects

17:28:55  AliB ->  easier said than done !

17:29:04  michaelshade ->  pleasure was ours

17:29:06  Laine ->  owp was super class

17:29:08  Daf ->  not really, talk to them

17:29:20  Laine ->  bye

17:29:29  Daf ->  learn about your students

17:29:33  AliB ->  not always easy in a TENOR context

17:29:34  Patricia ->  bye everyone! thanks for being a great audience!

17:29:54  Patricia ->  thanks, laine. we should do it again next year!

17:30:01  nagora ->  I am sorry, not to be able to hear Carla and Erika.

17:30:07  Daf ->  nice seeing you here, Pat :-)

17:30:20  Patricia ->  great seeing you too Daf!

17:30:49  AndrewP ->  Here is Bee's info for the upcoming MERLOT Conference in New Orleans in August

17:30:56  Daf ->  bye everybody see you all later

17:31:12  AndrewP ->  http://mic07.merlot.org/program/overview.htm

17:31:15  Daf ->  hey Andy, I did not know you were here

17:31:23  nagora ->  Daf give  my love to Erika and Carla for me

17:31:25  AliB ->  Thanks ...bye Daf

17:31:36  AndrewP ->  yes,, btw Daf did you record your session yesterday with Tere?

17:31:39  Daf ->  I will :-)

17:31:57  Daf ->  yes, will send it to you now

17:32:05  AndrewP ->  if so send me the link to the zipped file and I'll upload it.  The APPI file is now up at www.alado.net/webheads

17:32:22  AliB ->  certainly

17:32:26  Daf ->  yes, I saw it, Thanks :D

17:32:36  rvilmi ->  Goodnight everyone! Bye from Ruth in Finland:-)

17:32:51  Daf ->  bye, Ruth, enjoy your grandmotherhood

17:32:56  nelliemuller ->  Good night from Israel

17:32:59  rvilmi ->  Thanks for the great evening, Jeff and all:-)

17:33:14  rvilmi ->  Thanks, Nellie. Don't stay up too late!

17:33:29  Daf ->  bfn guys

17:33:31  nelliemuller ->  I am off to bed. Nice music

17:33:39  rvilmi ->  Hallo and Goodbye, Graham:-)

17:33:41  nagora ->  bye Daf

17:33:48  AliB ->  Thanks Jeff

17:33:52  Jeff ->  thanks all

17:33:53  nagora ->  Ruth hi and bye

17:34:06  rvilmi ->  Bye Nagora