WiAOC2007 - Barbara Dieu and Patricia Glogowski: Open and Participatory Webpublishing (part 1)

Barbara Dieu and Patricia Glogowski
Open and Participatory Webpublishing

 Chat Log Below

16:00:12  Lee Baber ->  did you invite me yet?
16:00:34  Moira ->  Asking for Zoho?  you've got mine - could you invite me Bee
16:00:54  Jeff ->  +99001110016740703
16:01:01  GrahamS ->  hi moira, can you send bee your email address?
16:01:03  Lee Baber ->  yes i can
16:01:05  jenverschoor ->  I haven´t got it yet
16:01:18  Illya ->  I can hear you, but I don't see you in skype
16:01:32  Illya ->  noanswer
16:01:36  Barbara (Bee) Dieu ->  beedieu
16:01:37  Vances ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt
16:01:53  Illya ->  go it!
16:01:56  Vances ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:01:57  Illya ->  got it
16:02:47  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I don't want to go to the Skypecast. My e-mail: dennis.oliver at cox.net (Replace the "at" with @ and close up spaces.)
16:02:58  Moira ->  Following in public Bee and Pat :-)
16:03:31  Lee Baber ->  i have it in Yugma as well Bee
16:03:43  Daf ->  hi everybody
16:03:44  Moira ->  great Lee :-)
16:03:51  Moira ->  Hi Daf
16:03:55  Illya ->  Do I have to call you in skype? I can't seem to speak
16:03:57  jenverschoor ->  Hi Daf
16:03:58  DennisN ->  I cannot Skype. Micro packed up,
16:04:27  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Thanks, Bee.
16:04:36  michaelshade ->  what's the Skype for this?
16:04:43  Moira ->  don't worry, you have it Bee but I'm staying in the public view
16:04:44  Patricia ->  please send emails to bee or graham
16:04:48  jenverschoor ->  jennyv@arnet.com.ar
16:04:57  Jeff ->  +99001110016740703
16:04:58  GrahamS ->  can you send an email to bee on Skype or post it here if you want to follow the slideshow?
16:05:05  suzannebarraclough ->  barraclough@comcast.net
16:05:22  Daf ->  dygonza@yahoo.com
16:05:33  DennisN ->  djn@dennisnewson.de For slide show
16:05:39  Laine ->  lainemarsh@optonline.net
16:05:41  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I got the "Show not yet started" (or something similar) message.
16:05:49  Patricia ->  to attend the presentation on zoho
16:05:52  Moira ->  moira_hunter2005@yahoo.com
16:06:16  Dennis-Phoenix ->  ("Presentation not yet started. Please wait.")
16:06:35  Patricia ->  i get the same, dennis
16:06:43  Patricia ->  we're in, just have to wait
16:06:54  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Thanks, Patricia.
16:06:57  Illya ->  I'm out fo ra second - storm's on it's way
16:07:29  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I'll be back in a few minutes . . . . .
16:07:38  jenverschoor ->  sorry just got lost
16:07:56  jenverschoor ->  where are you sending the invitations?
16:08:03  Patricia ->  please send bee or graham your email if you want to attend the show
16:08:09  jenverschoor ->  not yet
16:08:11  Patricia ->  to your email address
16:08:16  Patricia ->  the one you send us
16:08:33  jenverschoor ->  didn´t get it yet
16:08:48  Patricia ->  bee sent you an invite
16:08:49  Jeff ->  public at: http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:09:21  GrahamS ->  anybody else need an invite to the slideshow?
16:09:25  Patricia ->  thanks, jess
16:09:26  jenverschoor ->  ok I´ll wait
16:09:28  Jeff ->  This link might work: http://show.zoho.com/remote/client.sas?_inv=M00z3GBlT712fKzz5h6m8C5tx670...
16:09:28  Patricia ->  sorry, jeff
16:09:31  GrahamS ->  last call...ladies and gentlemen
16:09:52  Nina ->  I can see a slideshow
16:09:59  Moira ->  the public one is fine too Bee - arrows forward/backwards manually are fine
16:10:04  elderbob ->  Is it too late to get an invite?
16:10:09  GrahamS ->  Bee and Patricia express about to leave any second now
16:10:10  elderbob ->  elderbob@gmail.com
16:10:19  DennisN ->  Thanks. Invite arrived.
16:10:19  Daf ->  and me?
16:10:26  Vances ->  driving myself
16:10:28  elderbob ->  Im listening anyway.
16:10:44  jenverschoor ->  It´s so nice listening to you all again
16:11:06  elderbob ->  Oh it says I have won the lottery.
16:11:11  Daf ->  I am there
16:11:16  michaelshade ->  "Presentation not yet started. Please wait..." - should there be anyhting on the Zoho screen?
16:11:24  jenverschoor ->  no news Bee
16:11:26  michaelshade ->  Yes!
16:11:26  Illya ->  I'm back :-)
16:11:37  jenverschoor ->  jennyv@arnet.com.ar
16:11:39  Laine ->  what is the skypecast - instructions to get in?
16:11:55  Jeff ->  +99001110016740703
16:12:08  miri ->  How do we see the movie?
16:12:21  GrahamS ->  send Bee your email miri
16:12:38  miri ->  I have sent
16:12:40  Barbara (Bee) Dieu ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:13:24  Patricia ->  welcome to the show! :)
16:13:55  Moira ->  :D
16:13:59  Nina ->  Where do we send the email?
16:14:23  Laine ->  i hear two presentations???
16:14:37  GrahamS ->  post it here nina if you like
16:14:38  Daf ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:14:43  Nina ->  nina.liakos@gmail.com
16:14:57  michaelshade ->  typical!
16:15:38  Nina ->  Tell me when I should check the email
16:15:41  Nina ->  please
16:16:05  GrahamS ->  20 seconds or so I think Nina
16:16:06  Laine ->  save the best for last Bee & Pat --- Hurray!!!
16:16:12  Patricia ->  :)
16:16:14  Nina ->  Thanks Graham
16:16:27  Laine ->  my fearless teachers evo 07
16:16:31  GrahamS ->  sorry, Nina - please use the public presentation
16:16:43  Daf ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:16:48  Patricia ->  thanks, Daf
16:17:18  Nina ->  I can see the zoho page
16:17:21  Nina ->  Is that sufficient?
16:17:27  Jeff Cooper ->  ah... we're in zoho now?
16:17:38  Jeff Cooper ->  I keep running around the web keeping up with you guys!
16:17:40  Daf ->  we still have 3 more presentations :-)
16:17:48  Nina ->  np Bee
16:17:55  Jeff Cooper ->  no wonder no one was talking in Yugma!
16:18:04  Moira ->  nina, you have the slide show whichyou must forward manually with the arrows
16:18:12  Nina ->  I am looking at slide 2 "When new technologgy..."
16:18:16  Daf ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:18:20  Moira ->  classroom now
16:18:32  Moira ->  photo
16:18:35  Lee Baber ->  i hve yugma running too jeff
16:18:38  Lee Baber ->  cooper..
16:18:45  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Exactly, Bee!
16:18:48  Moira ->  go to yugma Nina
16:18:51  elderbob ->  Could you make a "ding" sound when it is time to change a slide.
16:19:02  Nina ->  Do I have to?  I have a small screen here...
16:19:12  Daf ->  long time I have not been in classroom like this
16:19:15  Dennis-Phoenix ->  "Soldiers in a row doing the same thing at the same time."
16:19:20  Moira ->  ding change to Web
16:20:06  Moira ->  ding change to Web 2.0
16:20:08  Nina ->  Slide 3 is blank?
16:20:10  Laine ->  love this slide -- wowo all the logos!
16:20:26  Nina ->  loading...
16:20:31  Moira ->  now I'll just type ding in the future so DING
16:20:38  Moira ->  text
16:20:50  GrahamS ->  slide7
16:21:05  Moira ->  over to you Graham :-)
16:21:30  GrahamS ->  slide 8
16:21:39  GrahamS ->  slide 9
16:22:22  GrahamS ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:22:30  GrahamS ->  slide show is here
16:22:41  Nina ->  Hi, Nagora
16:22:43  Nina ->  Welcome!
16:22:57  Illya ->  is the slide one ahead?
16:23:01  nagora ->  Hi Nina and everyone, Am I late?
16:23:01  GrahamS ->  slide 10
16:23:03  Barbara (Bee) Dieu ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:23:31  GrahamS ->  +99001110016740703
16:23:35  Nina ->  Which slide please? I had to log out
16:23:40  GrahamS ->  this is the skypecast number
16:23:41  Dennis-Phoenix ->  current slide: "Learn in chunks . . . ."
16:23:45  GrahamS ->  slide 10 now
16:23:45  Daf ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:24:02  Nina ->  Thanks, I missed a lot :-(
16:24:07  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Oops: It went back to "Engage in multimodal networking"
16:24:14  GrahamS ->  :)
16:24:17  GrahamS ->  slide 11
16:24:29  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Now "Learn in chunks . . . ."
16:25:17  jenverschoor ->  Totally true
16:25:37  jenverschoor ->  we are learning this way!
16:25:43  elderbob ->  55 minutes at a time, including commercials.
16:26:26  Nina ->  slide 12 now right?
16:26:47  nagora ->  where cn you see slides, please?
16:27:01  GrahamS ->  slide 12
16:27:09  Daf ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:28:08  sroseman ->  in Yugma and in Zoho
16:28:47  GrahamS ->  Hi Ali - slides are here: http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:29:06  Nina ->  currentl on slide 12 Ali
16:29:10  Moira ->  conveniently or appropriately?
16:30:00  GrahamS ->  join us in the skypecast here: +99001110016740703
16:30:21  GrahamS ->  slide 13
16:31:08  Nina ->  slide 14
16:31:19  miri ->  How can I see the slides?
16:31:24  Nina ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:31:58  Nina ->  looks like a bunch of amoebas
16:33:13  GrahamS ->  +99001110016740703 - come and join us in the Skypecast Andrew
16:33:28  Nina ->  Right, often students have learned to see themseles as empty vessels to be filled
16:34:28  Nina ->  slide 15
16:34:36  nagora ->  I can't copy a link and have a problem to see slides ;-(
16:34:38  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Right, Nina! They don't realize that they can fill themselves as well as being filled by others!
16:34:58  GrahamS ->  http://show.zoho.com/public/bee/owp-ppt1
16:35:08  Nina ->  Bee & Patricia, please give us an indication when to change slides
16:35:13  GrahamS ->  does this help, nagora?
16:35:36  Dennis-Phoenix ->  And the "incidental learning" is often the most meaningful type of learning, no?
16:35:37  Nina ->   Bee & Patricia, please give us an indication when to change slides
16:35:42  nagora ->  Graham, the link couldn't be copied or clicked, I am sorry.
16:35:58  Nina ->  Nagora, try opening it in a new browser window.  I opened it in IE
16:36:03  Nina ->  Here I am in Firefox
16:36:10  Nina ->  but IE is working better for zoho
16:36:16  GrahamS ->  do you have skype, nagora? O can paste it to you there
16:36:23  Bee ->  I am on Firefox and had no problem
16:36:27  Moira ->  and fills most of every learning day Dennis :-)
16:36:31  nagora ->  I opened it in IE also.
16:36:38  GrahamS ->  slide 17
16:36:48  nagora ->  yes, I have skype
16:37:03  Moira ->  on Friefox too, no problem
16:37:04  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Hear, hear, Moira!
16:37:24  Moira ->  ooh Frie Fox - that's a new one ;-)
16:37:24  sroseman ->  no problem with Safari
16:37:38  GrahamS ->  just troed to send you the link, but your privacy settings stopped me
16:37:59  nagora ->  what does it mean, Graham?
16:38:00  GrahamS ->  add me (eflbridges) and I'll send you the link
16:38:10  Dennis-Phoenix ->  "Not being afraid to practice language": Yes! (But it's easier to say than to do.)
16:39:11  Illya ->  Yes - the most valuable part of language!
16:39:19  Nina ->  In Firefox my slides got stuck, I got a blank slide and couldn't move it
16:39:27  Nina ->  Sorry which slide? just got a phone call
16:39:35  Nina ->  slide 17 still?
16:40:20  Illya ->  Wordlists don't do it all
16:40:23  Jeff Cooper ->  If you want to copy/paste a url here in chat, highlight it, then Ctrl+V to copy, then paste elsewhere.
16:40:39  Dennis-Phoenix ->  "Practice your language in situations which are totally unexpected": Yes. That's how it works in real life. It isn't as if real life is 431 dialogues.
16:40:51  GrahamS ->  slide 18
16:40:52  jenverschoor ->  Thanks for that tip Jeff
16:41:05  Dennis-Phoenix ->  negotiation of meaning: yes
16:41:21  GrahamS ->  slide 19
16:41:27  Daf ->  strategic competence
16:41:44  Jeff Cooper ->  as opposed to tactical incompetence!
16:42:17  Daf ->  discourse and strategic competence are fundamental
16:42:53  Dennis-Phoenix ->  But the language of blogs and the language of more purely social networking tools may be quite different.
16:42:57  GrahamS ->  slide 20
16:43:03  Daf ->  not to mention sociolinguistic compentece
16:43:14  Moira ->  right Dennis
16:43:15  Daf ->  competence
16:43:19  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Hear, hear, Dafne.
16:43:32  Illya ->  The language is also changing with the technology
16:43:34  Laine ->  how do you handle privacy preferences among learners?
16:43:38  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Moira: :)
16:43:52  GrahamS ->  slide 21
16:44:17  michaelshade ->  who do they blog to? the group or the world??
16:44:37  jenverschoor ->  In my case both
16:44:41  Dennis-Phoenix ->  Social learning /constructivist learning often needs to be facilitated, but that doesn't mean it's controlled.
16:44:43  Daf ->  I guess that to whoever reads the blog
16:44:52  Dennis-Phoenix ->  (not in a rigid, lockstep way)
16:45:14  Illya ->  It depends also on whether it is a closed or open environment
16:45:15  jenverschoor ->  natural, natural
16:45:17  Dennis-Phoenix ->  I think they blog to the world.
16:45:17  michaelshade ->  because a blog could be published within the group
16:45:24  Bee ->  facilitated...not controlled
16:45:27  jenverschoor ->  and to themselves
16:45:29  Bee ->  yes,definitely
16:45:31  Laine ->  but in facebook, you can control who sees what on your page; each aspect can be specified as to who has access to it
16:45:32  jenverschoor ->  to test themselves
16:45:33  nagora ->  Thank you Jeff, thank you Graham. I've managed to open slides, but a bit late.
16:45:49  Nina ->  Are we still on slide 21?
16:46:04  jenverschoor ->  Its amazing to see how they get involved
16:46:09  GrahamS ->  slide 22
16:46:12  Illya ->  E.g. closed learning environments, but still speaking to each other, not just for the teacher
16:46:30  GrahamS ->  slide 23
16:47:00  jenverschoor ->  Its a free learning environment but at the same time controlled by the teacher
16:47:03  Moira ->  Isn't the choice of the learner to decide how public they want to go?  So the ability to  decide whather posts go public, to the group, or remain private is also empowering?
16:47:12  Nina ->  Some students are threatened by that social aspect.
16:47:18  Patricia ->  yes, there is, moira
16:47:19  jenverschoor ->  true
16:47:21  jenverschoor ->  even parents
16:47:35  Illya ->  I prefer open to closed environments with both adults and children
16:47:35  Patricia ->  it depends on the learning context
16:47:43  Nina ->  I believe we should give students choices while encouraging them
16:47:45  Patricia ->  i work with young adults so they make the decision
16:47:50  Nina ->  to go "public" on the web
16:48:03  Moira ->  That's how I use group blogs with my learners - by giving them the choice on how it should be 'accessible'
16:48:15  michaelshade ->  but if the group is involved in a specific assignment it might be closed env
16:49:34  Nina ->  slide # please
16:49:38  GrahamS ->  24
16:49:43  Nina ->  thanks
16:50:33  buthaina ->  sound is lost in my end!!
16:50:48  Nina ->  :-(
16:50:57  Nina ->  log out and try again?
16:51:48  GrahamS ->  +990011100167407'3 - come and join the skypecast, buthaina
16:52:16  GrahamS ->  slide 25
16:52:25  buthaina ->  ok, thanks, Graham..will join you
16:52:35  GrahamS ->  great - see you soon
16:52:58  Patricia ->  thanks graham for the slide numbers! :)
16:52:59  Illya ->  excellent tool!
16:53:02  Dennis-Phoenix ->  "Carpe noctem": Love it!
16:53:20  GrahamS ->  keeping me busy, patricia :)
16:53:32  nagora ->  Yes, Graham is very helpful. Thanks again.
16:53:37  Nina ->  Without Graham I would have no idea which slide to be looking at
16:53:45  Patricia ->  sorry, nina
16:53:52  GrahamS ->  slide 26
16:53:52  nagora ->  Hear, hear, Nina
16:54:17  GrahamS ->  slide 27
16:54:19  Patricia ->  technical glitches
16:55:02  Nina ->  This is similar to what we used to get from dialog journaling with students.
16:55:21  Nina ->  In a way, blogging is a more public form of dialog journaling--unrestricted to 2 people
16:55:35  GrahamS ->  slide 28
16:56:17  GrahamS ->  slide 29
16:56:40  Patricia ->  i see graham there - 43 people slide :)
16:57:05  GrahamS ->  yesm patricia - and we recently got to meet each other in Barcelona!
16:57:18  Patricia ->  i heard, i heard!
16:57:56  GrahamS ->  slide 30
16:58:35  GrahamS ->  slide 31
16:58:40  buthaina ->  my pc is so slow today..
16:59:12  Nina ->  That's frustrating, Buth
16:59:13  Jeff Cooper ->  slap your monitor upside the head, buthaina.
16:59:23  nagora ->  Does it happen with you also, Buthania?
16:59:26  Nina ->  Some useful technical advice from Jeff
16:59:40  Jeff Cooper ->  hehe... well... I *am* tech support!
16:59:48  Moira ->  lol